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Holander Switzerland
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.09.08 20:46:00 -
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So what exactly is stopping people from gaming this poorly thought out, purposely misleading, pseudo-STV system? |
Holander Switzerland
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.09.09 21:27:00 -
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I honestly don't understand how the CSM thought this was a good idea. Even more so when they admit in the proposal itself that the reason for these changes are meant to disenfranchise bloc level votes. All while later in the thread admitting that the proposed changes wouldn't actually work. In fact let me quote it:
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:
3) Reduce (but not eliminate) the advantages held by highly organized voting blocs. In the previous election, for example, one voting bloc did extremely sophisticated exit-polling; if they had chosen to use this information to efficiently split their votes, they could have won 3 of the top 7 positions on the CSM.
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:
A reasonable point. But explain to me how you will be worse off than under the current system? Lets assume CFC can expect to have 10K votes to play with. Using your vote management systems (which Mittens was quite proud of last time around), you would simply allocate those votes between your two candidates. Doing it 60/40 or even 70/30 would have put both of you into the top 7. Let's assume you also want another CFC domain expert on CSM. Split your votes 55/25/25 and you'll get 1 in the top 7 and the other two into the bottom 7.
You can do this under the current system, and under CD-STV. You are no worse off.
And this is with your estimates of the game ability of your system. Nerds who know way more about this stuff than me have already figured out how to game the proposed system even harder than the current.
I mean, how bad at your job are you. You didn't even get the voting system's name right because you changed it to be pretty much the exact opposite of what the system actually is. I'm going to spell this all out very clearly. An STV voting system is based on the idea of not wasting votes. In a normal STV system whenever a candidate reaches the quota of votes, they are elected and the quota is subtracted from the voting pool. Leaving whatever votes went over the quota for that candidate to go down the list and not be wasted. This is not the case with the proposed system:
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:
The determination of the results is straightforward:
In each round:
* If the top vote-getter has more than 1/n of the remaining vote pool, where n is the number of CSM slots still available (14 at the start), she is directly elected; the vote pool is reduced by the number of votes she currently controls (and n goes down by 1 in the next round)
This system removes the amount of votes the candidate receives from the pool of votes, not the quota. The quota could be 10 votes and a candidate receives 20. The 20 in this case is subtracted from the pool leaving 10 votes wasted. This disenfranchises voters by throwing their votes away.
All this has pretty much been stated in the thread but I just thought I'd put it all in one easy to read post so its a bit more understandable why this is so outrageous. |
Holander Switzerland
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.09.10 09:44:00 -
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Why should my vote count for less because I happen to be part of a group that shares similar views? |
Holander Switzerland
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.09.10 12:07:00 -
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serras bang wrote:i got one last idea that will work for everyone NO MORE CSM
Holy ****, you actually do know you can capitalize letters. |
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